Raptor/Falcon wagon crossbreed...

[Turbocluck]

Wrong crowd... apologies. Admin, kindly delete. Thanks.

[gtaroger]

That's one great ideal to put the v6 turbo in a Falcon. Please show more pictures as you go along with your build. GTARoger

[Luva65wagon]

Turbo,

Not a lot of purists here... and those that built one 'that way' still like what others do. This (thankfully) isn't like Facebook. You'll get a lot of lookers and fewer posters, but what you're doing is pretty awesome and I'm sure everyone appreciates your progress updates.

[Turbocluck]

Turbo,

Not a lot of purists here... and those that built one 'that way' still like what others do. This (thankfully) isn't like Facebook. You'll get a lot of lookers and fewer posters, but what you're doing is pretty awesome and I'm sure everyone appreciates your progress updates.


Yeah, I get it, I'm just sick of the tribal BS... Everything nowadays has got to be so black and white. I'm a "shades of grey" kinda guy. I don't have an issue with purists, but man do they like to "share" their opinion of my mods...colorfully, with great dedication and gusto, now-a-days. Facebook, hands down is the worst and brings out the worst in folks in my honest opinion. I know some of these FB folks / co-workers personally, and some of the vitriol spewed at others on FB has caused me to lose several "friends" lately. I'm gun shy, for lack of a better term.

So yes, we have finished the 2.3 Ecoboost swap in Coop and pulled it back out for final tweaking etc. While I had an empty (gutted) engine bay that needs desperate attention and rust repair, I'd go ahead and mock up Sally's 3.5 Raptor motor and 10R so when we get to her, there won't be as many surprises and I'll know what all needs to be moved around or modified. Sally's engine bay sheetmetal is in very good shape except the battery tray area which will be removed and a new flat skirt will be installed to match the driver side. This is also where the twin intercoolers are mounted in order to maintain a "stock-ish" appearance up front. I also am planning this with Sally's patina in mind. NO exterior panels will be cut or modified other than a good cleaning with CLR and some patina preserver in satin.

So back to Coop... I was able to fit the engine in the bay without cutting the towers. The trick was to move the turbos outside the box and mount them between the aprons and the fenders after rotating the cartridges 90 degrees. There is alot of un-used real-estate when you look around. To keep the ICs happy I installed 2 12" Hayden fans on them to mimic the Raptor's PCM controlled Charge Air Cooler fans.

Now, most of you won't be running the massive wheel tire combo I am. If this is something you decide to try, you'll be happy to know that my 18s clear the turbo and all the plumbing easily when articulated and moved lock to lock. If my front tires will clear, yours should. We are also running inner fender skirts from a later model Ford Focus to keep the road spray down.

Plumbing the divorced turbos is pretty straight forward and we have managed to keep all bends to a minimum with the sharpest being a 90. 3 silicon couplers on each side and the remainder is all TIGged aluminum. The "radiator hoses" are simple stainless bits with silicone couplers on the ends. All heater hoses will also be silicone.

With some minor mods to the oilpan we were able to sink this tall girl down into the Falcon's narrow rails and get the crank centerline down to the same height as the 289 in comparison to the rails and floors. This should allow us to install the huge 10R80 10 speed auto without any massive mods to the floor pans. Coop will be getting 67-68 Mustang pans as hers are iron lace.

Anyways, just one old man's tinkering... if you like what I'm doing, feel free to let me know. If yer here just to bash and complain feel free to move along... Nothin' to see here folks.

[gtaroger]

Keep up the good work.Should make one little monster. GTARoger

[BadBird]

Amazing workmanship. Your planning and ingenuity are needed in the Falcon world. I know what you mean about the purist comments. I went through similar castigating. But, I knew what I wanted and can't wait to see more of your pictures and stories. Larry

[Luva65wagon]

Turbo... I just did a quick perusal of the threads penned about Coop and, maybe I missed them, but I couldn't find any negative (of any sort) about the work you are doing. I did find (as an admin here) a few posts you deleted, which I can view, but couldn't figure out why they were deleted. But in general, it seems there is true interest in your project(s) and skills. FWIW I'm on about 6 Falcon Facebook groups, since I'm a sucker for posting answers to Falcon questions, and find it very surprising when someone posts putting an LS into a Falcon on the MODIFIED Falcon group, and the rants of Chevy in a Ford (though I'm not a fan of, but to each their own) never cease. Makes one scratch their head. But here, I rarely see it.

That said, one thing that may help you would be to create a master thread, and just keep posting there as you do work. You can give any new post into a master thread a title, if you choose. Granted, like a few threads here, the length of the thread may get long (look at the Reconstruction or my Ranchero threads...), but the good thing about doing this is anyone who has replied to your thread will get a notification when you post an update, whereas a new thread may get overlooked if we get a busy day of posting. It also helps a feller follow the build process. Just a suggestion, but it's one of the reasons I rarely post what I do on Facebook, since there is no way to easily do a timeline progress thread.

:BEER:

[Turbocluck]

No, I have not had many or any negative comments from this forum... My deletion was to not start any issues, I simply wanted to avoid pissing anybody off. "Gun-shy"

No worries, I will continue posting as much as I can. I know that Coop being used as a mule for 2 may be 3 (we located a 2020 2.7 Eco) seems redundant and confusing at times. I worry that merging to a single thread may confuse folks... "Wait a minute, last week he had a 3.5 in there, now a 2.3 WTF" type stuff and turn folks away. But it is a Falcon site, not an Ecoboost site so maybe just follow a simple single thread each for the 2 different cars.

Heck, I can't keep half this crap straight in reality... LOL! Again, no worries, and thanks for inviting me into your forum. Man, I'm tired of FB, but it seems almost a necessity now from a business standpoint.



Thanks

[Luva65wagon]

I doubt people will get too persnickety. Post away! I know people around here are used to seeing just about everything. Heck, even I've provided that joy in reading 40 page threads spread out over 5 years. I can tell from the ones posting they dig what you are offering, and from those I know who are more lurkers rather than posters - they are silently enjoying it too!

[gtaroger]

Please keep up the post. A Falcon is a Falcon no matter what color you paint or want mods you do to it. From what I see there is nothing but craftman ship being shown in your post.I wish I had the skills you have. GTARoger

[Turbocluck]

Oh, beings this is Sally's thread... this is Sally, my sixty-5 Futura wagon original 289/C4/PS car.

[gtaroger]

I'm looking forward to seeing more of Sally. GTARoger

[Falcongek]

HI Turbocluck,

I'd consider myself a purist, but that's mostly due to my OCD (if it was designed like this, rebuilt it like this), but I've been known to stray from it, mostly for practical reasons (my pertonix installation beiing the most radical I believe :p ) And rebuilding my generator the most OCD ever.

But, I can definitely appreciate a project like you are doing. I lack the skills for such a project and I can sometimes look at posts with amazement what people can build. (I love the youtube channel fitzees fabrications).

Keep the updates coming and keep us amazed.

Good luck with your builds,

Rinke

[Turbocluck]

Damn thing has moves like Jagger!

[gtaroger]

Are you using CPP front end parts or is it custom fabed . It says CPP on the sway bar,but the frame rails look like you fabed them.A little info on what your doing would help. Keep up the grear work. GTARoger

[Turbocluck]

Are you using CPP front end parts or is it custom fabed . It says CPP on the sway bar,but the frame rails look like you fabed them.A little info on what your doing would help. Keep up the grear work. GTARoger


Nothing has been fabbed as far as the cars chassis goes. The only mods done were the removal of the rusted out core support and battery apron. The CPP system is box stock and installed per their instructions. The steering is all factory replacement 65 V8 Falcon. I'm at a loss as to what led you to that conclusion? I would like to rectify and remove any pics or posts leading to that belief. I'm concerned, because this swap is being billed as a bolt in so anything that seems to indicate anything else needs to be looked at and rectified. So with all that said... Nope, all bone stock! LOL...[thumb]

[gtaroger]

Your right ,I saw the photo where the steel going under the core support looked shiny, and didn't look closey. With these new photos I can see the rail clearly and they are stock. From what I can see you have the front end setup like mine. It looks like you have the tube control arms with the plate goes under the frame rails and bolts on . You'll like the way the car drives with this set up.I used the Borgeson power steering box. I used a Saginaw pump. I'm not pleased with the pump. It makes a sound if you turn the steering wheel.New pump so not sure if normal or need another pump.

[Turbocluck]

No worries, I was just concerned that folks might see the same thing and feel I'm being disingenuous. I have the CPP setup for my 67 Cougar as well... Still need to finish her up as well.

[Luva65wagon]

Though a picture, its said, is worth a thousand words - it may not be the same 1000 words to each person. That will depend on their ability to decipher the image. It may have zero to do with what is being shown as was the case here. I would not be overly critical of your posts (or anyone else posting things) here. When questions arise, answer them. Clarity will, oftentimes, follow.

Great build and I'm enjoying it a lot.

[gtaroger]

There was nothing wrong with your photos ,it was me with 70 year old eyes and not looking closly. Your post are spot on. GTARoger

[Turbocluck]

Awesome, like I said, No worries. weather had us doing rain prep at the house / shop today so no real movement on the projects. We sure as hell need the rain, so no complaints here. Have a great weekend!

[Tom P]

Wow, very cool and neat swap. I am a purist too, made sure my 65 Futura convertible was the correct Wimbledon White despite the tube chassis and 427 set back under the windshield.

[Tom P]

On the "Sally" wagon, I had those same wheels for my 62 Ranchero, I love them, problem was I could not get the 17x10 1/2 rears in and out of the wheelwell with disc brakes with air in the tires or not. I needed a narrower rear end and shallow backspace wheels.

[Falcongek]

Oh, beings this is Sally's thread... this is Sally, my sixty-5 Futura wagon original 289/C4/PS car.

Oh, That's one nice gal you've got there.
Digging the rear wheel covers (my wife dislikes them, otherwise they'd be on mine as well).
Looks like your inner door opening handle on the ds front door is a 63 one.

Good luck with the build!
Rinke