Thanks Steve. If it turns out you have one like the link Roger posted, maybe you could take a pic of it?
Gene
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Thanks Steve. If it turns out you have one like the link Roger posted, maybe you could take a pic of it?
Gene
Gene,
Can't you just run a standard two groove pulley and change the spacing on the alternator and/or power steering pump?
I've seen that done on other cars recently, and it is definitely one of my alternative. In my case, the pump brackets would have to be spaced almost 3" from the head, and that is not my preference. I hope to be able to come up with the proper pulley, at a reasonable cost, or modify something to be close to the proper one. I was given a pulley that could have been modified, but it used a much narrower belt than what was on the pump, and I'm thinking it would probably slip/squeel, so am still pursueing something else.
Sorry Gene, the one I have is a standard 3 groove pulley. I think it is the one used for P/S, and AC.
Here is the solution I've worked out with Gene. We took a two groove pulley and cut the needed part off of it, bored it to fit the outside diameter of a single groove pulley. We will install it, align the belt to the PS pump, and mark the location. I will then measure between the outer and inner pulleys to make shims the same in 3 places (to assure it runs true), and then TIG weld it. It should then be as good as the original we can't find for less than its weight in gold.
Gene - expect me to drop by later after work. :BIRTHDAY:
Genius pure genius! :rocker:
This is the pulley that Roger has come up with (built) from the commonly found 2 groove pulley, and the single groove pulley. This pic shows how far the Eaton style pump would need to be spaced forward, as the 2 groove pulley locates the PS pulley all the way to the front (forward of the alternator/water pump groove). This pulley (for which a seller on eBay wanted $150) allows for a much cleaner installation. I'm VERY pleased with this unit! THANK YOU, ROGER! [BOW]
I just have a few things left to do, then the new motor should make some noise later tomorrow or Sunday.
Well lets know when...... :banana::banana: I wanna come to the party.....lol
Don't know how much of a party there's gonna be, but I know I'll be celebrating inside..
I didn't get as much done today as I'd hoped, as I spent a good part of my early day trying to run down some parts, which was only partly successful. I did get the wiring for the Pertronix and the electric choke done, and there is a little temporary wiring done that will need to be cleaned up after it's done. Gonna go back out this evening and hang the radiator and starter. Tomorrow will just be adding coolant, priming the oil system, installing the plugs and wires, then make the attempt to start it. I'm guessing that'll be somewhere early afternoon.
The 302 made LOTSA noise today! I'd forgotten how much noise open headers make when in a garage. Seemed like way more than when outdoors. Anyway, after one false attempt because of a wiring error, it started right up and ran smoothly. Thanks again, Roger, for your help! All systems seemed good with the exception that some lifter clatter can be heard. Don't know why yet, but will do some digging. Maybe it has the wrong pushrods? Now to clean up some wiring after determining where to mount the coil permanently. Also, still waiting for a part to finish up the PS installation. Then I'll be able to get the toe-in a little closer, followed by a trip to the muffler shop followed by a trip to have the front end aligned. After that, there is a possibility it might be seen on the street for the first time in a couple of years. YAY!!!!! :banana:
Yes, it's always exhilarating to fire up a motor for the first time. Especially when it runs good too. Great job Gene.
Sounds great guys! What a great day to be wrenchin!
Got another little bit done today. Cleaned up the ignition wiring (it was a rats-nest temp. to get it running). Next: spark plug wires into their looms, then it'll be runnable again Still waiting for some PS parts. Hopefully they'll arrive in the next coupla days.
Looking good Gene, I might have the 62 on the road today. Just need to install a fan spacer. Maybe a "flarechero", "Genechero", and "anotherstevechero" cruise is in order.[thumb]
It does look great Gene. Nice cap. [thumb]
And yes, very soon we'll have to start a branch of the club called the Rainier Ranchero Club. 3 strong... then 2, then 3, then 2, then 3, then.... :ROTFLMAO:
As soon as I get my new gas tank in and a working gas gauge, and a little more tuning, I'll be driving mine a lot more. Oh, and less snow too.
I get it, cause I sell and trade and buy so often!!!!:D I can't help it I want them all!!
P.S. I have a 65 for sale....
Sorry for the Hijack Gene I really can't wait to get yours, Rogers and hopefully one of mine in the same place along with all the other Falcon club members. Come on spring.:rocker:
It was a lot of tedious work, but the end result with the Smootie looms is very much worth it in my estimation. Roger & I started it again quickly (just to check thhe wiring, heh heh) today. Funny, it's still LOUD! He also helped me put the dash-pad back in. I'd tried several times before and always knocked the little clips off. But we got it today and it, too, looks good.
Very nice and clean! :BEER:
Looks awesome Gene (and Roger) lets get the cheros together for a cruise!! Maybe we can bring them to the meeting next week??[thumb]
I don't think Gene will be driving open header anywhere other than the muffler shop - and without the steering hooked up yet, not going to happen by next Wednesday, unless his parts arrive... and I think they are on the same truck as my parts.
It does sound really good un-corked though.
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Slowly still making headway. Got the PS hooked up and bled a couple of days ago. Seems to be working fine, but haven't actually driven it yet (still no mufflers). I seem to have been afflicted with Roger's disease (while I'm at it). So the last couple of days took advantage of the warmer weather and got the final under-hood painting done. But... still hoping to drive it to muffler shop late next week...... if the weather cooperates.
Mufflers, you don't need no stinking mufflers. Hahaha!
So I guess I'm catching then, huh? But I'd say that disease may actually be a cure for the uglies - since that ain't ugly like the first time I saw it. I said it earlier and I'll say it again - that's looking really nice!
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I had set a target of driving to the muffler shop tomorrow and actually met that target (with quite a bit of help from Roger. He aligned the hood and fenders for me and did quite a few other things I had been struggling with. THANKS Roger). However, now it looks as though the weather isn't going to cooperate. Now the forecast is for showers every day through the end of the week. Oh well, there's lots more small jobs to do, and I'll get mufflers on as soon as I can.
Don't let Gene fool you - he really has been doing most of the work. I just direct well. I really only come for the fine meals Vel makes, and then lounge around watching Vanna.
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But you know Gene - that car needs knock-off's!
Ranchero is looking awesome Gene (Roger). Hopefully this spring I can have all you come over and help me put mine back together!! (fingers crossed)
The weather cooperated enough for me to sneak to the muffler shop between showers. Of course, as I pulled out of my street to the main city street, a police cruiser went past me and pulled over to the curb waiting for me to go past. I stopped behind him and told him I was on the way to get the mufflers hooked up, and he said, no problem, thanks for stopping. After arriving, I discovered the electrical system wasn't charging and with the engine being tight, it wouldn't restart, While it was being worked on, we put his charger on it, and I made it home w/o killing the motor. So...... another problem to sort out. I had already discovered in the last couple years working on this that I'm not as perfect as I had imagined. I didn't need Murphy to confirm again. Oh well......
What kind of mufflers did you decide on... and how does it sound? :rocker:
The good news is it made a trip out of the garage under its own power!! That is a giant step. I like the radiator, which did you go with?
Oh yeah how did it run, and did you enjoy driving it again? (other than the electrical issue)[thumb]
FWIW Gene had his old tail-pipe and mufflers, which we very new (mileage-wise), hooked up to his new Doug's Headers. Two short s-bend pipes to connect the middles.
Like me (who is not perfect either, regardless of what Steve says... :ROTFLMAO: ) had to work through a lot of bugs when the Flarechero hit the road. Still working them out. Gene will be for a while too.
Gene has issues with the starter he bought, because they wouldn't sell him the one he needed due to some stupid core charge/swap nonsense. He may have to get a different starter and swallow a core charge (unless we can find the right core to match the starter they say he needs).
He's now needing to investigate some really noisy lifters, which became that much more apparently noisy when the headers were connected. That is top on his list and I plan to go over there tonight and help him diagnose that.
OK Gene, sorry for hi-jacking and taking away your joy, as usual. You know me, I do that with forum threads, tools, paint cans... :o
Please post the numbers that he needs , or a picture of it . I have a couple laying around here. He is welcome to them.[BOW]
The mufflers that were on the car (turbo style) were ones that I had put on a couple of years ago. However, they have probably less than 50 miles on them (the old head pipes aren't even discolored). So I just had Hutch at Beyond Repair connect the new collectors to them again. Everything behind the collectors is 2 1/4". I like the sound: not too loud, but still sounds like a V-8.
The radiator is a Champion unit. I ordered and paid for a 3-row, as you did Steve. But I got a 4-row delivered. Don't know why, but I'm not complaining.
Roger & I pulled the valve covers tonight and found all the rockers loose., as we suspected yesterday after discussion. He stopped at home after work tonight and brought a couple sets of pushrods with him that proved our finding that the pushrods were too short. It's mechanically quiet with longer pushrods in it and runs MUCH better. I'll pick up a new set tomorrow hopefully. Then....
On to the more minor problems!
Went to the Action Auto Parts store on N Aurora this AM with my 2 pushrod lengths. The machine shop manager there told me the pushrods that were in the motor were for a 289 and therefore, too short. The pushrods that Roger had in his arsenal were the correct length for the 302. I said I wanted to order the correct ones. He went and got them off the shelf somewhere and when he rang them up they were very reasonable. So, I installed them this afternoon and all is much improved. [thumb]
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You guys may already know this, but I didn't (maybe I'm showing my age)..... I ordered and installed new radiator hoses when the old upper hose appeared to be a longish black balloon after the engine warmed up. I installed the new hoses after they arrived, but noticed there was no spring in the return hose. Wow, I thought. They now manufacture the hoses so they don't need springs. WRONG! They just don't come with springs. You must order them separately. So, I ordered the new spring and took off the bottom hose again to install it. After the third time, I'm getting pretty proficient with that, and I'll probably never forget to order the spring again. Wish they'd make a notation on the websites to remind dummies like me that the springs aren't included.
Do you need a spring? I know there are many opinions. I don't have one but this guy sounds like he knows what he is talking about.... but in the end, just another opinion.
http://www.martiauto.com/faqfocus.cfm?qid=20
BTW: This is also the guy that I will be buying my replacement Door Tag through. I like the price.
I have never used a hose with a spring in it, first of all they are cheap and rust, come apart and get stuck in the cooling holes in the block and or the heads...a good hose won't go flat if the rubber is strong....just my .02 jh
Jeff and John,
I read and thank you for the info on the link you posted. I certainly am not enough of an expert on the subject to argue with anyone on this subject. I will say, I have never put in a lower hose that didn't have a spring in it. The hose that I took from the 289 I removed (with a spring in it) was NOT the factory hose after all these years, and it was NOT corroded into non-existance, but was corroded to some degree. When I found the replacement spring online , it was listed as, and appears to be, stainless steel. So I am in hopes that it won't deteriorate to nothing. I won't be removing it on the strength of that man's statement. I feel "safe is better than sorry" is the best plan, and that safety only cost me $5. I just wish I hadn't needed to do the replacement multiple times.
Just my $.02 worth.
It's all suction versus pressure drop. Though I agree a good clean system is ideal and with everything new and clean you should not collapse a hose, the truth is you have far more surface being pumped into and through after the pump than you do at the inlet of the pump. You have zero restriction before the pump (gravity does a pretty good job of feeding the inlet of the pump), but after the pump you are pushing coolant though lots of orifices and hoses before it gets back to the radiator. Any imbalance - ANY - with a weak or long-ish hose, and a good pump, can suck a lower hose closed.
As for having them rust, they do. But I would be more apt to say that is due to lack of maintenance since a well maintained cooling system doesn't promote rust. Don't change your coolant for 10 years (and I think we're all guilty of that) and you then start to see the rust-prohibitive nature of anti-freeze wane.
Oh, and the spring Gene got was Stainless Steel.
That's my take...
Besides keeping the coolant fresh you can check for electrolysis in the system. I checked once when the guy at Greenwood Radiator mentioned it but it's been a long time. Here's a good link:
http://www.sancarlosradiator.com/electrolysis.htm
It can corrode ferrous metals pretty quick, especially aluminum.